Editing Vim Tips Wiki:New tips/201003

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<big>'''New tips March 2010'''</big>

'''This page is an archive listing tips created in March 2010. Please do not edit this page because discussion has finished. If you have any comments, edit the appropriate tip page.'''

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!align="left"|Proposed new tip
!align="center" width="150"|Current consensus
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| [[Build Python-enabled Vim on Windows with MinGW]]
|align="center"| Kept as [[VimTip1650]]
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| [[Improved Javascript Indent script for Vim]]
|align="center"| Redirect to [[Script:3227]]
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| [[Last position jump improved for Easy Vim]]
|align="center"| Redirect to [[Script:3059]]
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| [[Project specific settings]]
|align="center"| Kept as [[VimTip1649]]
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==[[Build Python-enabled Vim on Windows with MinGW]]==
See also
* [[Build Vim in Windows with Cygwin]] (MinGW is not very different)
* [[Compile a separate copy of Vim for Python coding]] (dodgy)
* [[Where to download Vim]] (including W32 binaries with Python etc.)
Merge (if deemed useful) otherwise delete? — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] 19:42, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
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I'm not sure about this at the moment. It has good content which needs to be kept, although like all the build tips it needs work. Re the point of the tip, I'm sure that it would be better and easy to find a ''Vim without Cream'' install to support the wanted version of Python, but proper info on building your own Vim needs to be on the wiki eventually. I have put all the "building Vim" tips I know of at [[Where to download Vim#Comments]]. I'll think some more later. [[User:JohnBeckett|JohnBeckett]] 10:32, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
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I think for now, we should '''keep it'''. We should put all the "building" tips in [[:Category:Building Vim]] and eventually create "building on Unix" and "building on Windows" tips which we can potentially merge to. I've seen Tony's pages, and while they are an excellent resource which we should link to, they do make things look (at first glance anyway) to be much more complicated than they actually are. I found [[Version independent installation of Vim on Windows]] today, which was really the final step I was missing to easily build my own Vim (that and the :help entries it relates to). Even this tip makes things complicated with a custom batch file to set options (without much explanation) but it's good enough for now.

--[[User:Fritzophrenic|Fritzophrenic]] 20:32, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

==[[Improved Javascript Indent script for Vim]]==
There has been no progress towards developing this for inclusion with the Vim distribution, and that objective seems unlikely. This wiki is not the right place for scripts which are likely to remain undocumented and unmaintained (although we have some exceptions, notably [[CSV]]). While I think the right thing to do would be to delete (or possibly userfy) the page in order to avoid setting a precedent for future scripts that might be left here, nevertheless the script might be very useful so I propose that it be renamed and kept. I'm thinking of renaming it to "Javascript indent script" (although "JavaScript" might be more correct, and "indent file" is the commonly-used term) and keeping it. Any opinions? [[User:JohnBeckett|JohnBeckett]] 10:32, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
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I agree this should be kept. This is reportedly resolving a deficiency with the current Vim distribution, not just adding a new feature.

I do think we need to somehow distinguish it from a "normal" tip, and provide some call for somebody to take over the maintenence, either on vim.org or as an official plugin. Maybe a new template is in order for such things? --[[User:Fritzophrenic|Fritzophrenic]] 14:46, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
:I think we should just keep the tip as-is since we do not have the resources to do anything else. What name should the tip have? I am now thinking ""JavaScript indent file" with "Javascript indent file" as a redirect (and keep the current name as a redirect; "Javascript indent script" would probably work in a search so more redirects may not be needed). [[User:JohnBeckett|JohnBeckett]] 03:52, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
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Please delete Improved_Javascript_Indent_script_for_Vim .   A better solution exists at https://github.com/JiangMiao/simple-javascript-indenter .  Also, I'm fucking fed up with the !@#$! email notifications I get every week about an edit on the page that happened in 11/2010.
--[[User:Broofa|Broofa]] 00:36, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

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As for the email, you should be able to un-follow the page. But we would certainly like to remove the page. Is there a script page on vim.org which we can redirect to instead of deleting it outright? Some people may have in bookmarked/linked.
--[[User:Fritzophrenic|Fritzophrenic]] 02:34, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
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Let's finish this! The script is unmaintained, unexplained, and not the kind of page wanted as a tip. If if fixes problems in a file distributed with Vim, it should be included in the distribution. There has been no reply to Fritzophrenic's above question, and the author requests deletion, so let's just delete it. While deleting stuff is a shame, and breaking incoming links very bad, those of us who are maintaining the wiki need to face the reality that we are overwhelmed and need to move forward. Alternatively, if someone can fix the page in some way ''very soon'', I would be happy with that. As a compromise, I would also be happy to replace the page with a redirect to this discussion. [[User:JohnBeckett|JohnBeckett]] 05:15, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
:How about a redirect to [[Script:3227]], which is the script [[User:Broofa|Broofa]] recommends? We could add a "similar plugins" section to the script page with the same list as on the tip page. --[[User:Fritzophrenic|Fritzophrenic]] 15:02, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
::Done. [[User:JohnBeckett|JohnBeckett]] 05:07, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

==[[Last position jump improved for Easy Vim]]==
I have no idea what this is about but propose keeping the tip in view of its author. Perhaps [[User:Anwo|Anwo]] will notice my confusion and add a short introduction saying why it's needed: what goes wrong if you do not use this tip? is the cursor slightly incorrectly restored? does that matter? does Vim crash? or what? [[User:JohnBeckett|JohnBeckett]] 10:32, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
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I imagine (I have not tried it) that Vim will simply not position the cursor. In general, jumping in normal mode to a position that does not exists just beeps; the cursor remains in the same place. I'm guessing that the default "restore position" autocmd will simply do nothing in Easy Mode, so that the file always opens with the cursor at the beginning.

I may of course be very wrong, but I think we should keep the tip (and probably remove comments about not using vim in "Easy mode", since people just want to know "how do I use Easy mode Vim?" without a lecture). --[[User:Fritzophrenic|Fritzophrenic]] 20:48, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
:A comment in the tip by the author shows that the tip is now at {{script|id=3059}}. I propose replacing this tip with a redirect to [[Script:3059]], and put some of the content (the image and a tiny description) on the Script:3059 page. I would remove the script and installation notes. [[User:JohnBeckett|JohnBeckett]] 03:52, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
::I have marked the "consensus" above to redirect the page as in my above suggestion, and have put a comment on the tip in case the author is following that page and would like to comment before action is taken. Fritzophrenic: any thoughts? [[User:JohnBeckett|JohnBeckett]] 05:15, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

==[[Project specific settings]]==
This is worth keeping. [[VimTip742|Change filetype based on directory path]] is vaguely related, but the two tips should probably develop separately. [[User:JohnBeckett|JohnBeckett]] 10:32, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
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Agree. Probably make sure there's a See also note in each. --[[User:Fritzophrenic|Fritzophrenic]] 14:47, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
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Other solutions should be evoked in the tip page. I'm thinking about the plugins [http://code.google.com/p/lh-vim/source/browse/misc/trunk/plugin/local_vimrc.vim local_vimrc ] (there exists 3, may be 4 now, different implementations of the concept on SF), or {{script|id=69|text=plugin}}. They address exactly the same concern: having project-specific settings (actually, project does much more).

A side note about the necessity of using {{help|:setlocal}}, {{help|:map-local}}, etc. would be welcomed.
--[[User:Luc Hermitte|Luc Hermitte]] 12:36, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

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